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MIAMI
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DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE MINUTES:
Minutes
of meeting
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JUN. 14, 2000
NOON
(THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT)
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Jim
McDonald opened the meeting and all members provided self-introductions.
Miami
River Economic Impact Study:
Phil
Everingham provided a report on the Miami River Economic Impact Study.
Phil stated that Dr. Ken Lipner (FlU economist) has completed a drafl
report and it is being transcribed. Fran Bohnsack reported that the
transcription is completed and it looks good for the shipping industry
on the river; however, the hotel, restaurant, commercial fishing and
small boating industry data was minimal. Fran and David Miller will go
back to these industries and attempt to obtain this additional data for
Dr. Lipner. Fran reported that the data on the shipping industry reveals
significant increases since the Beacon Council report of 1991 era. Fran
did not speculate on when the report will be complete.
Riverside
Land Use & DERM Permitting Issues: Case Studies:
Jim
McDonald opened the discussion. David Miller related the minutes of the
last meeting where the group decided to review why marine businesses
were having difficulty with construction permits on the river and
specifically one case where a land owner (Calvin Kreidt) requested a
zoning change for his property from marine industrial to residential.
Apparently this zoning change was a result of potential marine
industrial buyers that were fearful of purchasing the property because
of “perceived” DERM requirements that would prohibit a. profitable
new marine business. Commissioner Barreiro was invited and present
during the meeting. DERM Director John Renfrow was invited but unable to
attend; however, Assistant Director Carlos Espinoza and Susan Markley
were in attendance.
Cleve
Jones was concerned that when a marine industrial property was rezoned
to residential it would be a permanent loss to the marine industry
potential of the river and that marine industry is water dependent for
their operations. He stated that residential structures can be built in
practically all locations and are not water dependent land uses. Cleve
emphasized that the Manatee Protection Plan limits marine industry by
historical uses and if this marine industrial property is lost to a
residential use it is a pertinent loss to the marine industry on the
river. Cleve was also concerned that there is no method of transferring
this historical marine industrial use to another property on the river.
He believes these decisions will eventually destroy the marine industry
on the river.
Jim
McDonald asked the landowners present if the county was user friendly
toward development of property along the river for marine uses. Calvin
Kreidt responded “No, and it has been no for quite awhile”. Calvin
advised the group that residents near the marine industrial facility
complained about the 24-hour operation and when they complained the
county authorities would visit the facility and issue requirements,
complaints would continue and additional requirements would be issued
until such time that it became so costly that it was not fiscally viable
to operate the facility. Calvin stated that he has hired experts to
evaluate his property for marine use and they cannot develop a business
plan that is profitable because of the land size and the extensive
regulatory requirements including replacing or constructing docks.
Calvin stated he could not replace an existing dock because of
regulations. Carlos Espinoza responded to this issue and stated that he
was unaware of any DERM decisions on this property. Carlos believes the
problem is a lack of communications Carlos explained that the Manatee
Protection Plan (MPP) was developed over several years in a public forum
and the requirement for the plan was mandated by the State of Florida.
Carlos
believes there is a lot of misunderstanding between DERM and the marine
industry. Susan Markley agrees that the permitting process is cumbersome
and there are state and federal requirements that also provide barriers
to maritime construction. Susan says it is not correct to say there is a
blanket prohibition against river marine industry improvements, but it
is a cumbersome process with state and federal requirements in addition
to the DERM requirements. Carlos stated DERM is trying to reduce the
time required for review of permit requests by adding more personnel in
the permitting review section and DERM’s goal is to eventually utilize
the internet and electronic processing and tracking of permits. Susan
wanted to emphasize that DERM supports water related and water dependent
uses on the river.
Cleve
wanted to allow some sort of “banking” of boat slips when these
historical slips are lost to residential development. Susan disagreed
with the “banking” of boat slips for use on other riverfront
property that did not have a historical use as a marina as detailed in
the MPP. Fran Bohnsack, who was a member of the MPP Review Committee,
asked about the status of the requirement for periodic review of the MPP.
She also stated that the MPP restrictions are so incredible that for all
practical purposes it is economically impossible for the development of
a new boat marina on the river. Susan Markley discussed a lawsuit filed
by a group of environmental organizations concerning the lack of manatee
protection. Susan feels this will increase the number of restriction on
boating and marina development. Phil Everingham asked about the MPP and
whether there was a requirement for a yearly review. Susan said it was
in there with a bunch of other recommendations. Phil suggested that the
annual review should be completed because there may be areas where the
plan can be improved. Phil asked Mr. Kreidt if the decision to rezone
the property was driven by economics or regulations preventing a marine
related facility. Mr. Kreidt explained that his family wanted to sell
the property to a marine related business, but regulations limited
economic feasibility for a marine business and it became prudent for his
family to request rezoning and sell to a residential developer. Phil
concurred that the economics of developing a marine business is the
basic problem due to the costs of capital outlay and time and expense of
obtaining the required permitting makes it less and less attractive to
put in a marine facility and more and more attractive to put in a
residential hi-rise building. Phil stated that without some sort of
incentive the boating marine industry is fighting a losing battle on the
river.
Commissioner
Barreiro requested that the discussion be kept in general terms and not
address specific issues.
Steve
Owens discussed in general terms his situation on Brickell Key where
they have developed the island and are in a dilemma in that the island
has no access to the waters of the bay or the river. The master plans of
the island development included a marina when the island was zoned years
ago. This plan was part and parcel of the development plans and approved
by the county. Steve has been attempting to get a marina approved for
the island for 10 years and attested to the extremely cumbersome
federal, state, and local process necessary to get approval for a simple
marina. Steve stated that many items and issues overlap between the
agencies. An example is that a prospective marina developer needs to get
federal, state and local permits. The federal permit solicits comments
from the state and local agencies. If the federal permit is approved it
then can go to the state and the comment solicitation process occurs
again, if the state permit is granted then it goes to the local agency
for a similar review. Steve believes that if all levels of pemiittiug
are required then each permitting process should stand on its own. Steve
explained it is a very complicated process and the cost of going through
the process is exorbitant. Steve asked an interesting question - How
many new private interest marinas (other than public marinas) have been
permitted and approved in Dade County in the last 4- 5 years? He also
commented that the process was not user friendly, because of the shear
magnitude of the permitting time and costs. lie believes that a small
landowner or developer would simply give up on the process.
Cleve Jones commented on his
situation. For Jones Boatyard’s floating dry docks to work they must
have sufficient water depth under them and periodically Jones Boatyard
must dredge river sediments out from under the dry docks. Cleve
explained that it took a year to gain approval from DERM to dispose of
the dredge spoils. During that year period he had to maintain the
sediments on his property significantly reducing useable space causing a
loss of business opportunities. Carlos Espinoza suggested that people
caii him if they feel that DERM is acting slowly on a. permit or any
other problem.
Jim
McDonald asked if Phil Everingham had a motion concerning a requirement
for periodic review of the MPP. Phil thought this would be good idea.
Discussion ensued. The question was asked who would conduct the MPP
review and Susan Markley felt it would be a county staff report. Steve
Owens stated that any plan is only as good as the enforcement of the
plan and enforcement is not handled by DERM. Steve Owens and most of the
group felt the waterways enforcement of manatee slow speed zones were
minimal The group did not make a formal resolution but concurred that
some review of the MPP was necessary.
Dick
Bunnell provided an article from the magazine “Florida Business
Insight” profiling David Struhs, Secretary of the Department of
Environmental Protection (DEP) In the article, Secretary Struhs stated,
“You have a lot of the same people (at DEP) today who were here when
the rules were written. What happens is sometimes you become almost
unconsciously more concerned with the process than you are with the
product. You become more concerned with protecting the rules than you
are with the enviromnent.” Dick feels that this is happening with DERM,
too. Dick questioned why the Miami River is in an “Aquatic Preserve”
when it is an industrial river and the fifth largest port in the state.
Dick feels the agency rules and permitting processes are so difficult
promotes non-compliance by many who would typically comply with the
rules. Disçussion ensued.
Dick
provided a general item concerning the replacement of a
hurricane-damaged dock on the river. Dick requested a permit on behalf
of the dock owner and a. permit has riot been issued. In essence this
waterfront facility has not been able to utilize a large section of
their dock since October 15, 1999, significantly reducing their ability
to operate a marine business. Carlos Espinoza indicated that there might
be other issues such as State Sovereign Lands, etc. and invited Dick
Bunnell to talk with him about the specific problem.
Steve
Reoch, a marina manager with extensive maritime experience in south
Florida and on the Miami River, read a statement for the committee, DERM
and Commissioner Barreiro. Jim McDonald requested Steve’s statement be
made part of this meeting summary (see attached). Phil Everingham asked
Steve if the missed maritime business opportunities were a result of
regulatory issues. Steve answered yes and Calvin Kreidt stated that was
the same problem with his family’s property.
Carlos
Espinoza believes that there is a communication problem and that
perception by the marine industry is not a reality. Calvin stated that
factual events have created the perception that DERM is against the
marine industry.
Commissioner
Bamero felt this dialog is important and recommended that this committee
continue this dialog and provide specific recommendations to the Miami
River Commission for improving this situation. Commissioner Barreiro
suggested that the waterfront permitting system is confusing and
complicated and he could well understand why small business owners would
not want to expend thousands of dollars to formally apply for permits
when the “perception” is it will never get approved by DERM.
Jim
McDonald would like a continuation of this discussion at the next
meeting and Carlos Espinoza will ensure DERM representation.
The meeting
concluded at 1:40
PM.
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